Note from Guru Kurt: This document records the responses of people at www.faithforum.org to some of my writing, to which I have replied. Kyle represented the "maverick leader," and so I felt it would be appropriate to write here again, if only for the sake of future generations (assuming there are any, and assuming they care)! These were posted 9/28/03. I may continue to post, but I will also keep a record of it, since I am not really looking for disciples in this crowd. Who knows, though? Stranger things have happened, in this wide world of ours!
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Faithwalker said: “I’ll wait for the movie.”
Guru Kurt:
William Blake said, “Listen to the fool’s reproach; it is a kingly title!” There will indeed be movies made, and you will see them – in your next life, who cannot bring your intelligence to bear in this one!
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Keith said:
Guru Kurt:
You are incorrect in stating that rational statements may be empirical only. There are many other types of rational statements, for instance certain if-then statements. “If there is a God (who created this world), then He is likely to be intelligent” is a rational statement, albeit conditional in nature. “If the human mind is too small to think all by itself, then it is possible God gives it ‘imprints’ with which it can somehow work, although it cannot go beyond these ‘imprints’ unless He wills it and enhances them” is another rational statement, although I do not say it is true or false. Beginning with conditional statements, we can make further rational statements supported by them, all within the “if-then” scenario we originally set up: “When God’s Son comes, He will not be recognized by anyone unless the Father ‘imprints’ their minds with His recognition, for they will be unable to break out of the mold wherein they have been placed.” We can develop alternative hypotheses, and bring in empirical evidence: “The unresponsiveness of man to the Lord (which has been observed) may be due to man’s ego, instead of to a lack of imprinting by the Father. The ego is characterized by a hardness of heart, and an inability to bend itself to comport to new information.” Now, this last sentence is based on personal observation (of mine, who claim sagehood for myself), which to my eyes is empirical, but which no other can witness save other sages. All of my statements are empirical, from my own point of view, which is to say they are subjective observations, subjective truths. This is the nature of spiritual communication, from sage to student. The student believes the words of the teacher, on the basis of his own personal observations of the teacher, of his speech, attitudes, and actions. Finding these things consistent, and likely springing from a higher inner source than that with which the student is in contact, the student “follows” the teacher in order to become a teacher himself one day, attaining what the teacher has attained, a process with which illuminati claim to be able to help, giving honor in turn to their own gurus of yore. Now, what is “reason?” To my way of thinking, the rational faculty is that which apprehends and describes reality, in a manner that is open, not closed, so that new apprehensions are always allowed in, should they prove better than the old ones. Sages (such as myself) claim to have found a reality which is beyond the data provided by the senses, hence beyond the realm of empirical proof by others, unless they begin the spiritual journey themselves on the basis of subjective experience, i.e. they find the sage’s words helpful, wise and true within the context of their personal lives. You will find that my statements are all rational ones, within this context, which is to say, presuming there are persons in the world who wish to begin the spiritual journey, they may find my ideas and suggestions helpful. Others, such as yourself, will reject them utterly, and if all people were to do so, I would have nothing further to say to man, but would go on my way, happier by reducing my burden of thought at needing to bend over so far to correct erroneous statements in which people make logical mistakes no child should make. You cannot reject me on the basis that my statements are irrational, for they are all highly rational. You can only reject me on this basis, by saying, “I do not feel this inner spiritual ‘tug’ you claim should be present in my soul. I am not curious about my inner realities; I only wish to study outer realities. Your words are not helpful to me personally, although they may be helpful to others.” For you see, it is irrational on your part to say that because you feel no response, no others will respond. It could be the case on planet earth (as I say) that man arises from the animals, i.e. there is a transmigration of souls. In this case, those who are recently arisen from animals will not respond to the spiritual challenge sages present, but will laugh and go their way. Those who have been human a long time will respond, and will listen carefully to a teacher’s words. I have empirical evidence for this, for there are “saintly” personages among us, like Mother Teresa of Calcutta, and those who go to monasteries, just as there are animalistic people among us, such as serial killers and rapists. There is a progression or advancement of souls from animalist to saint, which occurs over many lifetimes of repeated human births. Like many of my statements, I cannot prove this to others, although I know it personally, as a fact, and state it with confidence. It is not an irrational statement because it does not bear empirical testing. It is a rational statement which apparently springs from a higher faculty of knowing than that with which you yourself are familiar. You can accept it as being likely, “believing” in my accounting of things, or you can reject it. You cannot reject it as being “irrational,” however. You can only reject it as not corresponding in any way, shape or form to your own personal, inner experience of life, and go your own way. It is my submission that there is only one fundamental question: is the soul immortal, and what is the nature of this immortality? If you do not care about this question, you are a fundamentally irrational being, laughing at its own inevitable destruction at death. Sages claim to show man a way to discover his own, personal immortality, and so those who laugh at sages are fundamentally irrational beings, who know not from where they come, or to where they go, but like stick figures poke fun at that which they do not understand, and do not want to understand. Sages should be taken seriously. You are going to die anyway; what’s there to lose? Try their techniques of meditation and other spiritual disciplines, and see if these don’t help to clear your eyes a little of the fog of egoism in which they claim you are submerged, and in which you will admit yourself to be submerged if you are spiritually advanced (as I say, on the basis of my own experience of sadhana, spiritual effort). There is a realm of reason far beyond the senses. In nirvikalpa samadhi, a person enters a world of pure spirit, apprehending clearly the immortality of his own soul, and its divinity as well. I say it is even possible for you, Keith, to attain this state, discovering the truth of everything I claim. Laugh if you wish. Dismiss me offhandedly, and resume your life of sense stimulation with full gusto, if this is your desire. You will have to do better than you do here, however, if you wish to confute me with reason and logic, to which I also lay claim, all my spiritual experience notwithstanding!
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Originally
posted by Daisy_
Just a suggestion: if you want people to actually read your posts, try to keep
it short and to a single point at a time, at least initially.
Guru Kurt:
Daisy,
It is easy to ask questions, but all questions are not easily answered. If you think my responses are too long, then you should report this to the moderator. He will come and tell me, “Guru Kurt, this forum is only meant for short, uncomplicated statements and responses. The people who come here do not have long attention spans, nor do they care overmuch about truth. They want things easy, pat, simple. They are not looking for spiritual friends; they are eager to tear their attention away from their computers to watch ‘Friends’ on television. They are not interested in real life! They do not care if you are a sage! They do not care, if you are the Lord Himself! Go away!” Then, indeed, I shall go away again, as I went away before. The maverick leader I predicted has arisen from among your midst, and even as I write these words carries my message out to mankind. I have given up hope on all of you; I only return because I think your questions are those that others may share, and I post all of this on my website, www.neochristians.com. In the future, perhaps a thousand years from now, people may have an interest in what I was thinking and doing at this stage of my life, and it is for them I write, not for any of you! These people will be different. They will have long attention spans, and will be able to follow complicated trains of reason. They will abandon their television sets for awhile, and pay heed to what has been said of reality in ages past, seeing if it does not still bear fruit for them in their present lives. They will care. They will be spiritually sensitive and aware. They will laugh at you, just as the Christians laugh at the Pharisees and Sadducees who continually challenged the Lord’s authority! I have many other priorities, besides this faith forum. I am writing books, essays, and poetry. Please, Daisy, do me a favor and tell the moderator to kick me out, so I can abandon this group once and for all, and for good!
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Originally
posted by eva
jayceeii, Welcome to the forums. Interseting journey you are on. I hope it is
not over yet and you are still open to finding God.
Eva,
I am not journeying to God. I have found God. I am an illumined sage, a God-realized person. You will not be able to help me, although it may be that I can help you.
Originally
posted by eva
I too
have met the Supreme One, Yahweh. And there is nothing that will ever compare to
that one moment when time stood still. The things of this world truly do pale in
comparison.
Guru Kurt:
Say not that you have attained union with YHWH! This is high blasphemy, insulting to both your Creator and your own intelligence! Can you number the stars in the Galaxy? Do you know how many of them have life? Can you tell me yesterday’s newspaper headlines on the planet of life orbiting the leftmost star on Orion’s belt? YHWH can do all these things, and many more. If you cannot do them, then you have attained some spiritual state which is possible for humans, not full union with the Almighty! Not even the Avatar claims this, who calls Himself the Son of God. Since you are not a teaching sage, it is likely that you have attained the state known as dhyana, which is not the state called in the Hindu scriptures “God-realization,” but one of the forerunner states, in which the ego is retained. It is also possible you have attained savikalpa samadhi, although I would need a more detailed description of the experience to know for certain. How long did it last? Was it preceded by a period where it felt like you were facing evil in your mind? Did your third eye open? If it was savikalpa samadhi, the answers will be a few hours, no, and yes. If it was dhyana, the answers will be, a few minutes, yes, and no. I would also be able to tell, were I to meet you – but this is far from a possibility!
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Originally posted by Love Fountain:
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There is not a drop of real devotion to God to be found anywhere.
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